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- 13 March 1981
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- I. WELCOME
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- The meeting was held at USC Information Sciences Institute. The host
- was Jon Postel. Jon opened the meeting and gave the usual
- explanations about the arrangements.
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- Vint Cerf extended the welcome and called special attention to the
- participation of representatives from CSNET, Canada, and Germany.
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- II. OBJECTIVES
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- Vint Cerf described the main objective of the meeting to be to put
- issues on the table. Problems could be resolved by subsequent
- arrangements between ARPA and the contractors. In particular, the
- topics of performance, addressing, and documentation are of special
- interest.
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- III. STATUS REPORTS
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- A. UCLA
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- Charley Kline gave a report on the activities at UCLA. Bob Braden
- from the UCLA Computer Center is on a one year visit to UCL.
- Charley is involved in a research project in the Computer Science
- Department. This report is about the work Charley is involved in.
- UCLA is building a system called LOCUS. It is based on Unix and a
- ring network. The ringnet hardware is the LNI developed by UCI
- and modified by MIT. A UCLA developed private protocol is used on
- the ring. The current work is on the distributed operating
- system. The goal is for the users of the system and for remote
- hosts to see the collection of hosts and the ring net as one
- system. The most recent effort is on file system aspects. Very
- good results have been obtained yielding essentially equal access
- times for local and remote files.
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- B. UCL
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- Peter Kirstein gave most of the presentation with some help from
- Ron Jones. Peter noted that with Bob Braden visiting at UCL use
- of the UCLA 3033 from London has increased and the service is
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- lasting 5 to 15 minutes several times per week. Bob has installed
- echo servers both at the TCP and IP levels at UCLA for use with
- UCL measurements and tests. Peter described UCL's work on: (1) a
- protocol converter for service between SATNET and SRCNET for
- terminal access, SRCNET is an X.25 network; (2) a cambridge ring
- at UCL where terminal access is now working via UMCZ80 interfaces;
- (3) a local message system is up on the UCL Unix using the MMDF
- system developed by Dave Crocker; (4) the NIFTP will be upgraded
- to match the latest document; and (5) UCL has worked over the TIU
- TCP and made some parameter changes and installed a dynamic
- retransmission timeout procedure, also MOS was revised, and a
- document is available on this.
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- C. RSRE
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- John Laws gave the RSRE report.
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- Gateway Status: The line between the UCL gateway and the RSRE
- gateway, known as net 35, was upgraded from 4.8Kb/s to 9.6Kb/s in
- November 1980. The gateway machine is still an LSI-11. Local
- performance measurements on the gateway were instrumented by
- writing a process timer for the MOS system which showed how long
- and how often individual processes ran for and the total time
- spent idling in the scheduler. These measurements showed that the
- gateway did handle 50Kb/s lines and would give the expected
- throughput on these lines for large data packets ( >128 user data
- bytes). The switching capability was 50 packets per second using
- the RSRE line cards. The time taken to switch packets from one
- interface to another was 4.8msecs. This includes use of hashing
- tables to determine the route of the packets. Although
- fragmentation has been implemented and tested as reported at the
- last meeting no use has yet been made of this facility. Source
- routing code awaits a final imprimatur of the doctrine to be
- employed.
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- Service Availability: A comparison between ARPANET availability
- from the PPSN for one month periods before the last meeting and
- this meeting show that although the outages total a similar total
- time the ones for the Nov-Dec 80 period are mostly due to
- developments in the UCL gateway rather than to SATNET as was the
- case for the Aug-Sep 80 period. Two points are worth noting: (1)
- Some of the longer outages were due to debuging sessions on the
- UCL gateway. These are difficult because they require personnel
- at RSRE, UCL and BBN to be available simultaneously. They often
- require loading software at the RSRE gateway for the tests and
- reloading software after the tests. (2) The large number of short
- outages were traced to resetting of the Host-SIMP interface by the
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- UCL gateway caused by shortage of buffers. Ginny alleviated this
- to a large extent in January by removing code from the gateway.
- However if UCL and RSRE are heavily using the gateway we can still
- get up to 20 resets a day.
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- Local Network Status: The PPSN (net 25) now has three network
- access protocols available to users, these are datagram type (with
- multi-address), virtual call (PPSN type with multi-address), and
- X.25 virtual call. We have developed a flexible evaluation host
- both for use on the PPSN and the British Post Office PSS network
- which we hope to be connected to in February. This evaluation
- host supports 2 DTEs and includes a command console for setting up
- multiple calls from one terminal, traffic generators, and a
- measurement package. The protocols employed are the Network
- Independent Transport Service (NITS) [formerly "Yellow Book"], and
- X.25 level 3 with BPO options and the RSRE X.25 level 2 line
- units.
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- TCP and IP: The CORAL implementation of IP with fragmentation and
- reassembly is complete. The design for the CORAL TCP including
- full state machine representation is complete and coding is in
- progress. We have obviously gained a lot of useful experience for
- this from using the Mathis TCP. Besides TCP measurements we now
- have the capability to perform measurements of IP using echoers on
- ISIE and EDN Unix as well as GGP echo packets. The IP
- measurements package has the capability to make single round trip
- measurements at a user settable protocol type, packet length, and
- packet rate of 1 to 50 packets per second.
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- Action Items from RSRE:
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- 1. Dynamic timeouts for retransmission.
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- 2. Flag bit for copied options in IP fragments.
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- 3. Specification for strict source routing.
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- 4. Standard addresses for Echo, Discard, and
- Character Generator servers.
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- 5. Techniques for preventing silly window syndrome
- (name due to Dave Clark).
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- 6. No changes to addressing for a while.
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- D. SRI
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- Holly Nelson reported that the TIU with fragmentation and
- reassembly is in progress, that a new version of the port expander
- program was delivered, that a measurement host being installed is
- version 7 Unix with IP separate from TCP, and that Ron Kunzelman
- will be leaving SRI in mid February.
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- E. NDRE
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- Yngvar Lundh reported that progress at NDRE continues to be
- hampered by the lack of people. In spite of this, progress is
- being made and speech now runs in the local net. Paal Spilling
- has returned to NDRE after a one year visit to SRI. Paal will be
- trying speech experiments with Lincoln.
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- The agreement with the Norwegian Telecommunications Authority is
- being renegotiated for 2-3 years. NDRE has had discussions with
- the German group.
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- Action Items from NDRE:
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- 1. A HDLC port on the SATNET gateway is needed.
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- 2. ARPANET availability must be improved.
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- F. MITRE
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- Anita Skelton discussed the development by MITRE of a Z8000 based
- TCP. The program is written in C and cross compiled on Unix. The
- system is a modified C MOS. The TCP is about 600 lines of C code.
- This TCP has been tested talking to itself, but not against any
- other TCP. The data rate measured is 350 Kb/sec. Later in the
- meeting Steve Holmgren gave a presentation on this.
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- G. MIT
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- Dave Clark described developments at MIT. Planning for a computer
- network architecture at MIT is being formulated in terms of a
- system involving 52 buildings and 10,000 hosts. As Dave noted, he
- reported again that the version 2 ring net (10 Mb/s) is almost
- working. The development is a joint project with PROTEON. Some
- interfaces are prototyped in multiwire. The use of IP and TFTP
- based services is spreading. A Unix on the CHAOS net uses IP to
- communicate with a Unix on the Ring net. Fragmentation and
- Reassembly is used widely in the MIT environment. MIT did its own
- reworking of MOS -- this time to make it easy to bind with
- programs from other source languages.
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- On the multics front Dave reports that IP/TCP was used over a HASP
- connection on a 9.6 Kb/s line between Cambridge and Phoenix with a
- round trip time of 8 seconds. Various investigations suggest
- hosts should be careful about also being gateways, for example,
- the gateway echo traffic could be more than the host could handle.
- In one experiment a routing loop was detected and datagrams would
- have looped forever except for Multics decrementing the time to
- live. Multics is being connected to TYMNET and TELENET, initially
- as a server for remote terminal access. A NIFTP server is being
- developed, and a MTP server is up on both NCP and TCP for RFC 772
- style mail.
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- The TOPS20 system, MIT-XX, still has trouble with the IP
- implementation crashing the system, and the performance is poor
- otherwise.
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- Dave put together a minimal IP/TCP/Telnet in BCPL for an Alto.
- The total package is about 3000 words of code.
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- The Swallow Distributed Computing Project is basing its
- communication primitives on IP/UDP. A C-30 IMP is scheduled for
- delivery to MIT in early February.
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- Action Items from MIT:
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- 1. A maximum segment size TCP option is needed.
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- H. Lincoln Laboratory
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- Jim Forgie described the work Lincoln has done on the Voice
- Terminal (VT) and the ST Gateway. Several VTs now exist and are
- functioning on the LEXNET. Two modes of speech data are supported
- 64Kb/s PCM and 2.4Kb/s LPC. A ST gateway is partially implemented
- in an 11/45 running EPOS and experiments are being done via the
- ARPANET with ISI. The gateway currently supports only the
- point-to-point ports of the ST protocol (no conference support
- yet). The measured gateway throughput is about 100
- packets/second. The next few milestones on the Lincoln schedule
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- 1. Move the gateway from the 11/45 to the 11/44.
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- 2. Demo speech over the WBCNET.
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- 3. Deliver a LEXNET and VTs to ISI.
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- 4. Add source routing to ST and the gateway.
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- 5. Add conferencing features.
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- I. Linkabit
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- Estil Hoversten discussed Linkabit's role in the support for
- SATNET and WBCNET. Linkabit provides clever modems to make the
- most of the channel. Estil pointed out that when Germany and
- Italy join the SATNET the channel will be more shared and less
- capacity will be available to existing communication partners.
- For the WBCNET Estil reviewed the state of installation. All the
- equipment is in place at ISI and LL, but the RF and power
- equipment needs tuning up. The DCEC and SRI equipment should be
- fully in place before the next IN MTG. Something called "Remote
- Control and Alarming" is needed to make the operation legal. The
- FCC requires that an operator (FCC licensed) be able to control
- the transmitter (shut it off) if something goes wrong. Western
- Union is installing the remote control mechanism so their operator
- in New Jersey can satisfy this requirement.
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- Estil also mentioned that Linkabit has some communication between
- two sites in San Diego several miles apart to support terminal
- access for terminals at one site to TOPS20s at the other site.
- They use dumb multiplexors and a 45 Mb/s microwave link. Also
- Linkabit is part of M/A-COM which is planning to link its four
- major sites via a satellite channel in the 800 Kb/s to Mb/s range.
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- J. ISI
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- Jon Postel reported on the activities at ISI. The Internet
- Project has three areas of interest: Protocol Verification,
- Protocol Design, and Protocol Applications. In the verification
- area Carl Sunshine made a presentation later in the meeting. In
- the design area Danny Cohen has led our efforts primarily in
- discussion of addressing issues (see IEN 165). In the application
- area we are developing two computer mail applications: the MPM
- and the MTP. The MPM is a multimedia mail delivery system
- following the specification of RFC 759. This is now working on
- TOPS20, and was demonstrated at the end of the meeting. The MTP
- is a text only mail server for multinetwork operation and follows
- the specification of RFC 772. This is partially implemented on
- TOPS20. It can now accept mail via TCP connections and leave it
- for distribution via mailer and NCP connections. MTP was
- demonstrated at the end of the meeting. Another program was
- developed to better understand using TCP and can be used as a user
- Telnet. This program is called TT. A description was distributed
- at the meeting and TT was demonstrated at the end of the meeting.
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- Other work at ISI included the development and installation of
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- code in the TOPS20s to guard against sending the 9th outstanding
- message to the same destination in the ARPANET and thus be blocked
- by the IMP. This has been installed in the five TOPS20s at ISI.
- The PDP-11 which is the front end for the Penguin printer has been
- modified to also route internet datagrams to other hosts on the
- ARPANET or the local Ethernet. The WBC project has participated
- with Lincoln in the Speech experiments reported on by Lincoln.
- Also the WBC project has interfaced a radio clock to the speech
- host so that the operating system (EPOS) gets the time from the
- radio clock.
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- K. DoD
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- Ray McFarland mentioned that questions are being raised about the
- Internet Addressing and its implications for Network
- Architectures, and on the relationship between Internet
- Architectures and Distributed Processing Systems. Later in the
- meeting Ken Shotting discussed his work on specification of IP.
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- L. DCEC
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- Ed Cain gave the report on DCEC activities. The hosts in the EDN
- now do reassembly. There are two gateway programs. The old
- gateway does fragmentation, talks GGP, and sends in CMCC reports.
- The new gateway performs well. There was some confusion about GGP
- routing messages.
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- It seems that a type 11 message was used in the BBN-built gateways
- to avoid confusing a new routing message format with the one
- documented in IEN 109 (How to Build a Gateway). The DCEC gateway
- used the type 11 message in order to exchange routing information
- with its neighbors. However, since the agreed-upon resolution is
- to modify IEN 109 to show the new format, the BBN-built gateways
- have been gradually reverting back to the new-format type 1
- message. During the transition, the DCEC gateway has kept track
- of which gateways use the two routing types, and serves as a
- routing "bridge" between the two communities. The right type code
- for routing messages is Type 1, and no Type 11 messages should be
- used anymore.
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- DCEC also implements the security and precedence features of IP.
- A TIU for AUTODIN II is being developed by DCEC, and an
- implementation of MTP is in progress. DCEC coordinated a seminar
- on IP and TCP at NBS in November which 405 people attended.
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- 1. How do we provide testing facilities to companies that
- develop TCP products?
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- 2. How do we control transit traffic?
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- M. COMSAT
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- Dave Mills gave a brief review of the configuration at COMSAT.
- The most important new development is the idea of virtual hosts
- which are processes with internet address and move from one real
- host to another within the DCNET. Another idea being developed is
- the maintenance of synchronized clocks in the hosts of the DCNET.
- This is done with time stamps in routing update messages between
- the hosts. Dave reported some interesting results about clocks
- and time variations that came to light in this work (see IEN 173).
- Also at COMSAT a MTP mail server is working. The FAX program now
- handles multipage documents. NIFTP works between COMSAT and ISIE
- -- 5 million bytes of RFCs and IENs were transferred. The
- INTELPOST project conversion to IP/TCP continues. A copy of the
- DCNET software has been installed at FORD research center at
- Dearborn with a 1200 baud dial up connection between Dearborn and
- Washington.
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- N. BBN
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- Jack Haverty reported on the development of three new TCPs: for
- the TAC, the HP3000, and the VAX Unix. In the TAC, the TCP
- connection opening and closing has been completed, and work
- continues on the data handling code. In the HP3000 version the
- TCP is done and work is in progress on Telnet while waiting for a
- hardware interface. The VAX Unix (and C70) version is passing
- packets but work on TCP continues. The work on the VAN gateway
- (ARPANET/TELENET) continues; testing of X.25 level 3 is being done
- with an Applied Data Communications Pro/Tester. The TIP Login
- design is just about done; it is being designed as a special case
- of resource allocation. BBN is modifying CMOS for use in the C50
- environment. The CMCC data has shown some anomalous behavior.
- For example short periods (5-10 minutes) with a high percentage of
- dropped datagrams and at the same time NCC data showing very busy
- IMP's. Hard to track this down -- better fault isolation tools
- are needed.
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- Ginny Strazisar reported on the developments in the BBN-built
- gateways. A new version of the gateway code was distributed to
- all sites (except Ft. Bragg) which will do fragmentation (but not
- with options). The gateway at UCL was modified to only use small
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- (SATNET size) buffers and remove local operator support to improve
- performance. The fragmentation routine will send on fragments as
- large as the network can handle. Work is in progress to change to
- a routing procedure which detects partitioned networks.
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- Dale McNeill reported on SATNET. After several months of poor
- performance, on November 6 there was a significant decrease in
- packets received with checksum errors on the SATNET channel.
- Performance is consistent with a change in the BER from about
- 10**-4 to about 10**-6. No information on the potential cause has
- been given by INTELSAT. In any case, SATNET channel protocol
- stability and the ARPANET direct connection via SATNET performance
- (ARPANET line 77 to the London TIP) are much improved. The
- US-Norway ARPANET satellite circuit (ARPANET line 41 between the
- SDAC IMP and the NORSAR TIP), which was changed last spring from
- commercially-controlled to military-controlled, continues to
- provide poor service. This line is composed of a military
- satellite hop and a number of commercial circuits. Hence, NDRE
- gateway to UCL gateway traffic is still disallowed in the Tanum
- Satellite IMP, thereby breaking internetwork traffic between the
- two gateway sites. A bug in the Host-SATNET protocol was found,
- and a fix was installed in the Satellite IMPs. The same fix needs
- to be inserted in the gateway to provide complete protection in
- the protocol. A major milestone was passed in MATNET, the secure
- shipboard copy of SATNET being built for the Department of the
- Navy; namely, a Satellite IMP successfully transmitted packets
- through a Navy FLTSAT satellite for the first time. The test
- setup was at the plant facility of E-Systems, ECI Division, where
- preliminary integration is being done between the network
- controllers and the radio equipment.
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- Action Items from BBN:
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- 1. Rubber EOL and Buffer Size has implementation impact in
- TAC.
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- O. ARPA
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- Vint Cerf reported that the ARPANET switched over to 96-bit
- headers on January 1st. Bill Carlson is leaving ARPA to join
- Western Digital and plans to build ADA machines. Vint mentioned a
- project at CCNY which is encoding video using adaptive delta
- modulation. ARPA plans to make a pair of these devices available
- to ISI and DCEC in July 1981. ARPA plans to replace all the 316
- TIPS by TACs plus C30 IMPs. TIP Login will be used for access
- control. Germany and Italy are likely to join SATNET soon, Canada
- is in the discussion stage.
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- Dave Farber gave a brief overview of CSNET. The idea is to
- provide network services to a group of university computer science
- departments. It is a 5 year NSF grant. The contractors are
- University of Wisconsin, University of Utah, Purdue University,
- The RAND Corporation, and 9 others. There is a steering committee
- (Chair Bill Kerns, NSF) and a technical committee (Chair Dave
- Farber, UDEL). CSNET will use Telenet, ARPANET, and telephones to
- connect the universities. The services to be provided are:
- Computer Mail, File Transfer, Terminal Access, and Distributed
- Processing Applications. More information is available from Dave
- (FARBER@UDEL).
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- Q. DTI
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- Gary Grossman gave an overview of DTI's work on a front end for
- the WWMCCS H6000 hosts. The INFE (interim network front end) has
- been up for some time, and has had some testing. It implements
- the January 80 IP and TCP and has been tested with the EDN
- systems. DTI is now working on the COS/NFE which is to be
- multi-level secure and will be based on DTI's HUB (TM) operating
- system. The COS/NFE is to be verified by SDC.
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- R. NAVELEX
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- Frank Deckelman described the interests and activities of NAVELEX
- Code 330. There are four areas: DBMS, Distributed Processing,
- Decision Aids, and Networking. In Networking the focus is on:
- Global networks (e.g., MATNET), local networks (e.g., CCN - uses
- Ungerman-Bass hardware), and C2 work stations (multimedia and AI).
- One current program that involves all four areas of responsibility
- is the ACCAT at NOSC and the Remote Site Modules at NPS, FNOC,
- CINCPACFLT, NRL, and other sites.
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- S. XEROX
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- John Shoch gave a brief status report on networking at XEROX.
- There are between 30 and 40 networks in operation, connected with
- 20 to 30 gateways. The new 10 Mb Ethernet is up. The XEROX
- series 8000 products are based on the Ethernet. There is a Print
- Server, a File Server, and a Communication Server (gateway), as
- well as work stations. John also mentioned that a paper on
- "Measured Performance of the Ethernet Local Network" appears in
- the December 1980 issue of the Communications of the ACM.
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- A. The problem reinitializing UCL gateway was resolved.
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- B. The design notes on the VAX, HP3000, and TAC TCPs were done [see
- IENs 166,167,168].
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- C. The memo on IP Errors and GGP style messages was distributed in
- DRAFT form.
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- D. The demonstration of the SRI Name Server was postponed
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- E. The MTP was demonstrated at the meeting.
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- V . PROTOCOL SPECIFICATION AND VERIFICATION
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- A. Overview
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- Carl Sunshine gave a well-received presentation on formal models
- for protocol analysis. Carl presented a basic model of a protocol
- and identified the aspects that need to be specified and verified.
- Then he described the methods for specifying protocols and
- identified particular programs or techniques that implement each
- method. Finally, Carl reviewed the verification methods and again
- identified particular systems which implement each method.
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- inductive assertions
- State Machines
- FSA
- Abstract Machines
- Petri Nets
- Sequence Expressions
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- Program verification
- State Exploration
- Structural Induction
- Symbolic Execution
- Design Rules
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- A DRAFT version of a report on "Formal Modeling of Communication
- Protocols" was distributed. The final version is ISI RR-81-89.
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- B. Three Way Handshake
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- Danny Schwabe presented an analysis of the three way handshake
- made in the SPEX language. A description of a protocol in SPEX is
- a "spexification." Spexifications can be translated into an
- AFFIRM abstract data type. Proofs of properties of this abstract
- data type can be done using AFFIRM. The analysis revealed a
- possible problem in the three way handshake. As currently
- described in the TCP specification (IEN 129), a connection may
- become established on one side and potentially may accept data
- from a previous incarnation of the connection. This is a very low
- probability case and would be quickly detected, but the analysis
- showed it was possible in principle.
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- The problem is that the document is in error in allowing an ACK to
- be accepted before a SYN has been received.
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- A DRAFT report "Formal Specification and Verification of a
- Connection Establishment Protocol was distributed.
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- C. IP Specification
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- Ken Shotting described his specification of IP using SRI's HDM and
- SPECIAL. Ken broke down IP into several mini-layers to make use
- of the methodology. There was some difficulty making assertions
- about global behavior since several fields are changed between the
- source and destination, e.g., Time-to-Live. This also causes
- problems with the checksum field. The order of processing assumed
- for various features has an impact on the formal specification.
- Ken's evaluation of HDM for protocol analysis is that it provides
- good support for developing a hierarchy of abstract functions and
- for state machine transitions, but is weak in data representation,
- exception handling, and concurrency. Ken's work is documented in
- a University of Maryland Technical Report "On the Formal
- Specification of Computer Communication Protocols," Computer
- Science TR-973, December 1980.
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- D. NBS Work
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- Jack Haverty gave an overview of the work BBN is doing for the
- NBS. The work is being done by Tom Blumer (TPB@BBN-Unix) and
- Richard Tenney (RTenney@BBN-Unix). This protocol specification
- system is based on a finite state machine model, augmented so that
- there are variables, and arbitrary program segments may be
- associated with each transition. These program segments are
- written in a Pascal-like language. There is a syntax checker for
- specifications, a specification editor, a FSM analyzer, a compiler
- that produces C and a test generator.
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- E. DCA Work
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- Dave Kaufman reported on the work SDC is doing for DCA. The main
- emphasis is on developing complete specifications of existing
- protocols based upon the original design intent and upon a set of
- specification guidelines being prepared in parallel by SDC. These
- guidelines include the following sections: Introduction, Service
- Specification, Lower Level Service Specification, Interface
- Specifications, Peer Level Mechanism Specification, and Execution
- Environment. These sections correspond with the basic protocol
- model presented by Sunshine. A distinction is made between the
- service specification which is the global view of the service and
- the interface specification which is the user/service local
- interface. The execution environment section describes protocol
- requirements of the operating system (or more correctly of the
- protocols runtime environment) such as timers and interprocess
- communication. IP is currently being specified according to these
- guidelines and during this effort several areas have been
- uncovered which require further definition.
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- Example areas noted by SDC were:
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- 1. Who supplies the "protocol" field for the IP header, IP or
- the transport protocol?
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- 2. What is the nature of the interaction between IP and GGP?
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- 3. Is source routing loose or strict?
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- Jack Haverty raised an additional related issue:
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- 4. How does IP interact with the local net, on errors, on flow
- control,etc.?
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- F. NDRE Work
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- Yngvar Lundh noted that a graphical technique had been used to
- produce an augmented state machine description of TCP for use in
- an NDRE implementation effort.
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- A. Overview
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- Vint Cerf introduced the subject of Front Ends for protocols and
- TCP in particular. The idea seems to be that in some cases IP/TCP
- etc. may be too complex to put into the existing operating system,
- so the protocol modules are put into a small front end machine.
- Then there must be a communication procedure between the host and
- the front end. This communication procedure is called Host-Front
- End protocol (HFP). The argument is that HFP is much simpler for
- the host than IP/TCP would be. Note that not everyone shares this
- view.
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- B. WWMCCS HFP
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- Gary Grossman gave a detailed presentation on the HFP developed
- for the WWMCCS H6000 machines. DTI has developed a protocol for
- use between the host and the front end based on the notions of
- "services" and "channels." The lowest level of the HFP is the
- link level which provides a single channel with flow and error
- control. The function of the link level corresponds to the
- functions of an HDLC connection. The middle level is the channel
- level. This is the level where separate logical streams appear
- and are multiplexed based on logical channel number. At the top
- level are services (i.e. applications). Typical services would be
- Telnet and FTP. Gary gave quite a bit of detail on the protocol
- formats and control procedures.
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- Gary also talked about the specification technique used to
- describe the HFP. For each message type the following points are
- described: function, when sent, sending state (and next state),
- receiving state (and action to take), subsequent actions by sender
- and receiver. For the service protocols, a specification includes
- a "specification" and an "adaptation." The specification gives
- the semantics of the fields used and the procedure for
- communicating via the channels. The adaptation gives the format
- details and any restrictions due to the particular machine
- environment.
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- DTI and MITRE have done a fair amount of performance testing. The
- comparison of an old implementation of NCP in the H6000 versus an
- NCP implementation in the Front End show the Front End about 2 to
- 1 better in throughput. There are many differences in the two
- configurations. Some testing recently showed that from the H6000
- through the FE and over the ARPANET to DTI a data rate of 18Kb/s
- was achieved. In local tests, 64Kb/s was measured over the
- H6000-->FE-->I path; and with a source and sink in the FE, 84Kb/s
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- was measured for source-->I-->sink. Finally using a "mirror"
- program in the FE instead of sending to the IMP, 125Kb/s was
- measured for source-->mirror-->sink. An analysis of the CPU time
- in the TCP code in the FE revealed that about 20% of the time was
- spent on TCP functions and 80% on interprocess communication and
- other "system" functions in the monitor.
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- Gary noted that details of the HFP are described in DTI report
- DTI-80043.C-INFE.18, and DTI-78012.C-INFE.14, and the measurements
- are described in the papers "Control Structure Overhead in TCP,"
- NBS Computer Networking Symposium, May 1980, and "A Performance
- Study of a Network Front End," Sixth Data Communication Symposium,
- November 1979.
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- C. Z8000
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- Steve Holmgren of MITRE described a Z8000 based TCP. The goal is
- to provide network communication for very small hosts which might
- otherwise be peripheral devices of a computer. The Z8000 actually
- supports a Network Access Protocol (NAP). The NAP is a layered
- protocol with an option approach. The layers are: link,
- transport, service, and user. The option approach allows the
- users of the protocol to select the features they need and to
- ignore others.
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- Steve gave some details of the protocol functions and formats.
- The access to the protocol is via a system call style mechanism,
- and the user is allowed to pass parameters and select options.
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- D. Discussion
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- John Shoch said he questioned the desirability of Front Ends, and
- wondered, if aside from communication efficiency and pragmatics,
- there was a good technical principle for front ends?
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- It was noted that we often excuse the current work of computing
- checksums by saying we will someday have a checksum instruction in
- our machines. Steve Holmgren asked "Why not a TCP instruction?"
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- When does a "front end" become an "instruction?"
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- A. Multics
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- Dave Clark discussed his measurements of TCP performance in
- Multics. Dave described some detailed timing studies made of the
- different TCP functions. The IP implementation is 5.3 K
- instructions, and the TCP implementation is 9.0 K instructions.
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- Dave also discussed throughput in TCP when there is a lot of data
- to send (e.g., in file transfers). A problem, previously pointed
- out by Dave Mills, can arise where many small segments are sent.
- This is due to the receiver reporting additional window each time
- a small amount of the data has been processed, and the sender
- immediately sending a segment to fit that additional window. Dave
- Clark proposes to call this phenomena "Silly Window Syndrome"
- (SWS). One way to prevent SWS is for the receiver not to report
- new window unless the increase is a reasonable size. The receiver
- can acknowledge incoming segments at any time, but limit window
- updates to points when a reasonable increase can be made. It is
- up to the receiver to decide what is reasonable, perhaps something
- like 20% of the total buffer space for this connection. The
- sender can also try to stay out of SWS by only sending big
- segments and waiting until the window is large enough to allow it.
- If the sending user indicates an end of letter then a smaller
- segment may be sent.
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- Dave suggests that sending a segment with one octet of new data
- into a zero window as a probe may lead to SWS. It may be better
- to send an octet of old data.
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- Dave suggested that a performance measure might be the size of
- bursts of segments the net, gateway, or host could handle. For
- example, can a gateway handle a burst of 10 datagrams of 576
- octets at the network input speed? Could measures be devised and
- feedback control be exercised in terms of bursts? Wild idea
- number one: the receiver can tell the sender the maximum burst
- size it should send. Wild idea number two: have gateways turn on
- a bit in the IP header if they are busy, and have the receiving
- hosts integrate this information for use in determining a burst
- size to feedback to the source.
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- Ron Jones reported on measurements of datagram traffic between UCL
- and ISIE. The source of the traffic was an LSI-11 host. This was
- connected to a port expander. The PE was in turn connected to the
- UCL Gateway. The UCL Gateway communicates via the Goonhilly SIMP,
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- Gateway sends the datagrams through the ARPANET to ISIE.
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- Ron had a number of measurements which he described, but interest
- focused on the discovery that in some tests from 25% to 90% of the
- datagrams were lost between the ETAM SIMP and the BBN Gateway.
- Some of the tests showed a significant step in the throughput
- graph at the single-packet/multi-packet threshold.
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- BBN believes that the problem originated because the ARPANET
- IMP 40 would not accept packets from the BBN gateway fast enough.
- The packet loss is manifest as multiple packet retransmissions
- from the Etam SIMP to the BBN gateway, until the packet eventually
- times out and is discarded in the SIMP. This behavior underscores
- two inadequacies in the system. First, the BBN gateway should
- discard the packet and send the appropriate message to the Etam
- SIMP; the machinery is already present in Host-SATNET protocol to
- accommodate this. Second, the Etam SIMP should notify the
- Goonhilly SIMP which should notify the UCL gateway that problems
- are arising. Unfortunately, a flow control mechanism like source
- quenching was never developed within SATNET, although its need has
- been known for some time; hence, when packets are dropped in
- SATNET, gateways are never informed and therefore cannot generate
- internet source quenching messages.
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- John Laws presented some findings of measurements performed by
- Andrew Bates. These are datagram measurements of a single round
- trip (at earlier meetings RSRE has reported on TCP measurements of
- double round trip times). The source/sink is a TIU connected to
- the RSRE gateway. One set of measurements seems to show that the
- round trip time to the ETAM SIMP is about 2 seconds with very
- little spread, but the round trip time to the BBN Gateway is also
- about 2 seconds but with about 25% of the datagrams delayed (a
- bimodal Histogram). The measurements were made at different times
- of day, and may be due to a difference in the load on SATNET.
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- David Flood Page told of tracking down the cause of some looping
- datagrams. In December the CMCC data showed that in the course of
- a day one of the PRNET/ARPANET gateways had processed several
- million datagrams. When the people who normally use that gateway
- were asked what experiment they were conducting, they replied
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- of this incredibly high traffic level in at least two different
- PRNET/ARPANET gateways were detected over the next several weeks.
- David began investigating and eventually found the cause.
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- The loader server that loads the port expanders attached to the
- PRNET gateways uses XNET 2.5, with Internet 2.5 headers, to do the
- loading. The loader server sends the packets to logical host 15
- (decimal) on the port expanders ARPANET address, which is the
- address recognized by the bootstrap (obviously). The last packet
- sent by the loader server is the one that says "go" to the
- bootstrap; this causes the bootstrap to send out an acknowledgment
- and then start up the port expander software. One of the first
- things the PE does is to flip the ready line to the IMP. Now if
- the acknowledgment from the bootstrap is still in the IMP, and the
- IMP sees the ready line down, it will drop the ack (and any other
- outstanding packets from that host). So the loader server gets no
- ack, and retransmits the "go" command.
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- The "go" command arrives at the port expander addressed as before,
- i.e. to logical host 15 on the PE; but the PE doesn't have a
- logical host 15. It is set to hand off any packets which it
- doesn't know how to route to its logical host 0, which is the
- gateway; the gateway sees that it is a packet destined for
- somewhere on the ARPANET that is not itself, so sends it back out
- its ARPANET interface, i.e. to the PE. The PE has the same
- trouble as before, so we get a loop. Because the packet is an
- Internet 2.5 packet, it does not have a time to live field, so the
- packet loops indefinitely until either the PE goes down, the
- gateway goes down, or a flood of real packets causes enough
- congestion to result in the dropping of the looping packet.
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- This didn't happen every time the PE was loaded, because some of
- the time, the acknowledgment got out of the IMP fast enough not to
- be dropped when the ready line was flipped. It was largely a
- matter of luck.
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- The problem will disappear either when the new gateway version,
- which drops all Internet 2.5 packets, goes into the PRNet
- gateways; or when the V4 bootstrap goes into the PEs. In fact I
- think the new gateway version may already be in place. Holly did
- put a fix in the PE as well, but I'm not sure what it was. One
- important point to note is that the port expander is on the
- ARPANET side of the gateway, not the PRNet side.
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- David says the lesson that should be learned from this is that
- more remote access to debugging tools is needed. The key piece of
- evidence in solving this problem was provided by a "packet
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- gateway/port expander site - which is normally unmanned.
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- Steve Casner described (actually showed) one of the Radio Clocks.
- Since we are about to start doing coordinated measurements of one
- way times we must have an agreement on what size and precision of
- time stamps to carry around in datagrams and programs. The "no
- thought" proposal is 32 bits of milliseconds since 1 January 1980.
- Others suggested that we might want more precision later so maybe
- we should have micro seconds and more bits. This was not
- resolved.
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- John Shoch briefly described an experiment in distributed computing.
- Programs were constructed to operate in segments with each segment
- allocated to a personal computer. The total program is called a
- worm. The basic version of the program simply maintains its
- existence. If a segment dies the remaining segments cooperate to
- find a free machine, load it with the segment code, and start it
- running as part of the worm. John described some of the interesting
- things which can go wrong, and ways to prevent them. The experiment
- is discussed in more detail in IEN 159. One comment to the internet
- group is that this experiment showed the usefulness of
- multidestination or group addresses. The conclusion is that with
- datagram style communication, high speed local networks, and new
- control procedures, the tools are in hand to begin some very
- interesting multi-machine applications.
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- IX. IP ERRORS
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- Jon Postel distributed a draft memo on error reports in IP. The memo
- is titled "What every host should know about GGP". The intention is
- to use the GGP messages on routing advice and destination dead as a
- base and to add a few other messages to cover the host-to-host error
- conditions. The discussion focused on whether or not this should
- remain part of GGP or be in a separate protocol. From an
- implementation point of view there seems to be little difference,
- from an administrative point of view it seems to be cleaner for it to
- be separate. There were some strong difference of opinions. The
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- A. Overview
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- Vint Cerf opened the topic with a call for a very general
- discussion of the issues and spent some time developing a list of
- goals for the the addressing and routing procedures. The goals
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- some are service specifications while others are "good job"
- criteria.
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- Noel Chiappa described the MIT complex which includes 9 networks
- and three major protocol families (IP, PUP, and CHAOS). All these
- networks share one "Internetworkly known" network number. Noel
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- possible long term development may be that all hosts are on local
- networks and only gateways are attached to long haul networks.
- The thrust of Noel's remarks seems to be that things are going to
- grow in a complex, but generally hierarchical, way; and any
- workable system will have to be prepared to grow, probably by
- taking advantage of the structure.
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- Vint Cerf led a further discussion on addressing. The main focus
- was on the tradeoff between a flat address space and a
- hierarchical one. In a flat address system there is no relation
- between the address and the location, and routing has to be by
- central knowledge or broadcast. In a hierarchical address system
- the address is composed of fields which identify the location in a
- routing tree.
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- Vint suggests that we have both in one! Let an address be
- composed of two parts: a hierarchical address (called an address)
- and a flat address (called an identifier). The address can be
- used as a routing guide or hint, but the identifier must match for
- a message to be delivered. The identifiers are globally unique
- names for hosts and do not change when hosts move.
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- XI. FILE TRANSFER IMPLEMENTATION STATUS
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- Vint Cerf took a survey of the implementers present to find out the
- status of FTP implementations. There are four different FTP systems
- being used: ARPA FTP (RFC 765), AUTODIN II FTP (IEN 101), NIFTP (IEN
- 99), and TFTP (IEN 133). The first three use TCP, and the last
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- TOPS20 (BBN) April 81
- EDN-Unix (DCEC) June 81
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- A. Mail Facilities
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- Peter Kirstein discussed the problems of providing mail services
- between users in the UK and the US. Within the UK, computer mail
- will almost certainly be based on NIFTP and will likely be as
- proposed in IEN 169. One major concern for the US/UK
- transmission is cost. It is quite important that a minimum number
- of transmissions be made and especially that only one copy of a
- message destined for multiple users be sent across the Atlantic.
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- Peter raised the issue of an interface between NIFTP mail and MTP
- mail, since it seems that the Internet will use the MTP mail.
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- Jon Postel discussed the MTP mail plan and indicated that a
- revised document would be issued soon which will describe the MTP
- in a network independent style.
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- Jon agreed with Peter that a NIFTP-mail/MTP interface data
- structure should be defined soon, and promised to do so.
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- There are several working (or partly working) MTPs already:
- Multics, COMSAT, DCEC, and ISI.
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- Geoff Goodfellow described a system that is under development at
- SRI to connect Telex and Computer mail. A user at a computer
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- additional fields to the header of the message to give the
- information needed for sending a telex. The message is routed to
- a special host which checks the telex information and if it is
- acceptable sends a telex. When a telex arrives at SRI it is
- processed by the special host and if the required keywords and
- information are found it is sent as a RFC 733 style message to the
- recipients computer mail mail box. A small percentage of the
- incoming telexes must be handled by a human operator because they
- do not contain the required information in a computer parsable
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- D. Discussion
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- There was some discussion of mailbox addresses and the problem of
- sending (and answering) mail to (from) mailboxes in other systems
- (e.g., Internet, TELEMAIL, ONTYME).
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- XIII. NEXT MEETING
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- The next meeting will be held 1-2-3 June 1981 at COMSAT in Washington
- D.C. Dave Mills (Mills@ISIE) is the host. Please send agenda items
- to Jon Postel (Postel@ISIF). If you plan to attend please register
- with Linda (Linda@ISIF). Local arrangements information will be sent
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- Postel Assigned Numbers 776
- Farber CSNET Description ---
- Postel TT ---
- Chase TTLUSR ---
- Postel What Every Host Should Know About GGP ---
- Cohen On IP-Addressing 170
- Cohen Addressing in the ARPANET, another visit 171
- Sunshine Formal Modeling of Communication ---
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- Experience with a Distributed Computation
- Postel Internet Meeting Notes - 7-8-9 October 1980 160
- Jones A Proposal for Simple Measurement Support 161
- for Users Through Slow Nets
- Pershing Transport, Addressing, and Routing in the 162
- Wideband Net
- Jones Echo Delay Measurements with GGP Packets 163
- Stern CMOS System Overview 164
- Cohen About Addressing in the WBnet 165
- Hinden Design of TCP/IP for the TAC 166
- Sax HP3000 TCP Design Document 167
- Gurwitz VAX-UNIX Networking Support Project 168
- Implementation Description
- Bennett A Simple NIFTP-Based Mail System 169
- Cohen On IP-Addressing 170
- Cohen Addressing in the ARPAnet, Another Visit 171
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- Vint Cerf ARPA USA Cerf@ISIA
- Robert Kahn ARPA USA Kahn@ISIA
- David Flood Page BBN British DFloodPage@BBNE
- Jack Haverty BBN USA JHaverty@BBND
- Robert Hinden BBN USA Hinden@BBNE
- Charles Lynn BBN USA CLYNN@BBNA
- Dale McNeill BBN USA DMcNeill@BBNE
- Paul Santos BBN USA Santos@BBNE
- Virginia Strazisar BBN USA Strazisar@BBNA
- Gerry Amey Canada-DND Canadian Amey@ISIA
- Hoi Chong COMSAT Rep. China Chong@ISIE
- David Mills COMSAT USA Mills@ISIE
- Marvin Solomon CSNET USA UWVAX!Solomon@BERKELEY
- Ed Cain DCEC USA Cain@EDN-UNIX
- Wayne Shiveley DCEC USA Shiveley@BBNB
- Hans Dodel DFVLR Germany ---
- Helmuth Lang DFVLR Germany ---
- Gary Grossman DTI USA grg@DTI
- Horst Clausen IABG Austria Clausen.IABG@Mit-Multics
- Ray McFarland DoD USA McFarland@ISIA
- Ken Shotting DoD USA Shotting@SRI-kl
- W. Bradbury I.P. Sharp Canadian ---
- Stephen Casner ISI USA Casner@ISIB
- Danny Cohen ISI USA Cohen@ISIB
- Randy Cole ISI USA Cole@ISIB
- Dan Lynch ISI USA Lynch@ISIB
- Bill Overman ISI USA Overman@ISIF
- Jon Postel ISI USA Postel@ISIF
- Danny Schwabe ISI Brazil Schwabe@ISIF
- Carl Sunshine ISI USA Sunshine@ISIF
- Estil Hoversten Linkabit USA Hoversten@ISIA
- Jim Forgie LL USA Forgie@BBNC
- Noel Chiappa MIT British JNC@XX
- Dave Clark MIT USA Clark@MIT-Multics
- Steve Holmgren MITRE USA Steve@MITRE
- Anita Skelton MITRE USA Anita@MITRE
- Frank Deckelman NAVELEX USA Deckelman@ISIA
- Oyvind Hvinden NDRE Norway Oyvind@DARCOM-KA
- Yngvar Lundh NDRE Norway Yngvar@DARCOM-KA
- Merle Neer NOSC USA Neer@ISIA
- Mike Wahrman RAND USA Mike@RAND-UNIX
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- Peter Kirstein UCL British PKirstein@ISIA
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